Looking for animator/artist for 4 minute animation

[RobertThurman123]

Hi I am looking for a animator and artist for a short 4 minute animation about a beautiful island, I can draw the animals just need someone to draw the people and animate, the background is going to be either clay or bryce it is going to be 2d characters rotoscoped onto either a stop motion clay background or 3d background.

I can't pay much as I haven't got funding yet but I can $100 in total I only pay money order or PayPal.
The animation will be for a documentary about bullying,bad conditions,and the bible. The bible being the solution to these problems.

You will also receive credit on the documentary for your work,
For more information please email me at robthurmangeek@gmail.com

Thank you.

[slowtiger]

It would be more honest if you'd ask for "work for free", since 100 $ for 4 minutes is an insult.

I give you the benefit of doubt that you don't know much about animation, but be assured that rotoscoping is a very time-consuming technique. Even a trained animator like me wouldn't be able to create more than 10 - 20 sec per 8 hr day. 4 minutes are 240 seconds, which means 12 - 24 full work days.

[AmigaMan]

You "Can't pay much as I haven't got funding yet"?? What a cheek!! Wouldn't it be best to wait until you HAVE got funding so you can actually pay someone for the extreme amount of work you expect them to do? I take it YOU aren't working on the documentary for nothing or you wouldn't be applying for funding. Blimey!

"You will receive credit on the documentary for your work". Well, that's extremely kind of you!

I don't think you mean rotoscoping either. Look it up.

[RobertThurman123]

You "Can't pay much as I haven't got funding yet"?? What a cheek!! Wouldn't it be best to wait until you HAVE got funding so you can actually pay someone for the extreme amount of work you expect them to do? I take it YOU aren't working on the documentary for nothing or you wouldn't be applying for funding. Blimey!

"You will receive credit on the documentary for your work". Well, that's extremely kind of you!

I don't think you mean rotoscoping either. Look it up.

Excuse me what do you mean I don't mean rotoscoping? What I was originally going to do was make a camera roll on a stop motion set and have cartoons interact with that.

Anyway I apologise if I seemed cheek but it was not my purpose so I'm sorry, I am working on the docu for nothing and most of the people involved are working for nothing as I can't afford to pay I wanted to get funding so I could actually pay the animators what they deserved, but in case I didn't $100 was all I could pay out of my own amount I'm sorry but it is better than nothing, but it wasn't intended to be the only money I could pay I was hoping to get funding for enough to pay you properly.

I'm sorry I'm new at this but I mean well,
Take care

[RobertThurman123]

It would be more honest if you'd ask for "work for free", since 100 $ for 4 minutes is an insult.

I give you the benefit of doubt that you don't know much about animation, but be assured that rotoscoping is a very time-consuming technique. Even a trained animator like me wouldn't be able to create more than 10 - 20 sec per 8 hr day. 4 minutes are 240 seconds, which means 12 - 24 full work days.

That's not entirely true I once did a 4 minute video in flash and made heaps of basic animation interacting with the video, what approach are you referring to.

Thank you for your time

[RobertThurman123]

It would be more honest if you'd ask for "work for free", since 100 $ for 4 minutes is an insult.

I give you the benefit of doubt that you don't know much about animation, but be assured that rotoscoping is a very time-consuming technique. Even a trained animator like me wouldn't be able to create more than 10 - 20 sec per 8 hr day. 4 minutes are 240 seconds, which means 12 - 24 full work days.

That's not entirely true I once did a 4 minute video in flash and made heaps of basic animation interacting with the video, what approach are you referring to.

Thank you for your time

That took me 6 hours, but it have a very busy schedule filming so would need someone else to take over for this project and this is honest pay thank you very much I just didn't have any idea it would take so long, and $100 isn't much but it was a starter point I'm sure I could stretch to $600 over time, I certainly wasn't planning on just paying $100 but I'm looking for people who really want to help with the project, the documentary is to help people so I'm hoping most people would give of their time out of the goodness of their heart, the documentary will cover suffering in Africa and bullying worldwide and how the bible addresses to it.

Thank you very much for your time.

[slowtiger]

Robert, I think you've mixed up two different techniques.

Rotoscoping is creating animation by painstakingly tracing frame by frame of some live action footage, nowadays from video. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping. Note the image, it shows a patent by Max Fleischer.

What I was originally going to do was make a camera roll on a stop motion set and have cartoons interact with that.

This sounds much like the technique Max Fleischer developed in about 1936. Here's a good example (starting at 5 min): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU7oIL7wHXM#t=300 - the characters are animated on cels, the BG is a model. An article explaining the setup: http://www.michaelspornanimation.com/splog/?p=2707. This technique is NOT called rotoscope, in fact it doesn't have a distinct name, we just say "combine 2D animation with 3D backgrounds", as it is no big trouble today on the computer.

I think you may have mixed up these because Max Fleischer was involved in developing both.

OK, combining 2D animation with 3D background is not a big deal, however, creating good 2D animation still takes a lot of time.

[RobertThurman123]

Robert, I think you've mixed up two different techniques.

Rotoscoping is creating animation by painstakingly tracing frame by frame of some live action footage, nowadays from video. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping. Note the image, it shows a patent by Max Fleischer.

What I was originally going to do was make a camera roll on a stop motion set and have cartoons interact with that.

This sounds much like the technique Max Fleischer developed in about 1936. Here's a good example (starting at 5 min): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU7oIL7wHXM#t=300 - the characters are animated on cels, the BG is a model. An article explaining the setup: http://www.michaelspornanimation.com/splog/?p=2707. This technique is NOT called rotoscope, in fact it doesn't have a distinct name, we just say "combine 2D animation with 3D backgrounds", as it is no big trouble today on the computer.

I think you may have mixed up these because Max Fleischer was involved in developing both.

OK, combining 2D animation with 3D background is not a big deal, however, creating good 2D animation still takes a lot of time.

Hi I apologise for any misunderstanding on my part,
The type of animation process I'm talking about is shown here
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvDZ6u6Id4Y
You can see the 2d spider coming out of the persons mouth I've made stuff like that on flash and it's not hard, however I feel I have completely mistaken the term rotoscoping so I'm sorry , what is the. Process called in that video with the spider coming out of the mans mouth and stuff , and how much would a basic 2d non rotoscoping animation cost for 3 - 4 minutes of footage?

Thanks

[RobertThurman123]

Thanks everyone for your help too much appreciated.

[AmigaMan]

Now you've explained more fully I can appreciate what the project is about much more. If the nature of the video and work had been described more fully in the original post it probably would have had a different reaction. I have done work for free on projects I believe in, usually animal charities, but I wouldn't have free time for something like this. I've been working on a 5 minute film in spare time and it's taken me two years so far! That gives you an idea of the work involved in animation and why I reacted to your $100 for 4 minutes worth of animation Good luck with your film and I hope you find an animator.

[RobertThurman123]

Now you've explained more fully I can appreciate what the project is about much more. If the nature of the video and work had been described more fully in the original post it probably would have had a different reaction. I have done work for free on projects I believe in, usually animal charities, but I wouldn't have free time for something like this. I've been working on a 5 minute film in spare time and it's taken me two years so far! That gives you an idea of the work involved in animation and why I reacted to your $100 for 4 minutes worth of animation Good luck with your film and I hope you find an animator.

Wow that must be a big project, funny you say my next project will be for a animal charity a documentary detailing animal cruelty, can I ask are you not impressed with my current project? If animation takes that long then I do deeply apologise for under charging, and I have a habit of getting so excited I don't explain myself properly I'm sorry anyway as a sign of my appreciation for your helpful input I'd like to send you both a free copy of the documentary when it's completed, the documentary will be free anyway but I won't charge for postage.

I would really appreciate if you still would speak your mind to me in the future and help teach me the principles of animation though I don't want you to waste time teaching either just the odd comment, can I ask how long a episode of spongebob or Simpsons would take just for animation and drawing, and would any 3d be involved.

Kind regards to both of you,
Rob

[dueyftw]

Wikipeda
Throughout the series' run, SpongeBob SquarePants has been produced domestically at the Nickelodeon Animation Studios in Burbank, California, and animated overseas at Rough Draft Studios in South Korea.[22][67] Approximately 50 people work together in animating and producing a SpongeBob episode.[27] According to Luke Brookshier, the series' storyboard director, "SpongeBob is structured differently than most cartoons".[27] Basically, the crew at the studio in California storyboard the episode and the crew in Korea will use it.[22] The crew in Rough Draft Studios animate it by hand, color its cels in the computer, paint backgrounds and send it back to the crews in the Nickelodeon Animation Studio for them to edit, and apply the music soundtrack.[27] Characters' designs are updated or modified every season to solve technical issues in animation.[68]

Several different U.S. and international studios animate The Simpsons. Throughout the run of the animated shorts on The Tracey Ullman Show, the animation was produced domestically at Klasky Csupo.[7] With the debut of the series, because of an increased workload, Fox subcontracted production to several international studios, located in South Korea.[7] These are AKOM,[54] Anivision,[55] Rough Draft Studios,[56] USAnimation,[57] and Toonzone Entertainment.[58] A subcontractor connection to the North Korean SEK studio has been suspected but not confirmed.[59] Artists at the U.S. animation studio, Film Roman, draw storyboards, design new characters, backgrounds, props and draw character and background layouts, which in turn become animatics to be screened for the writers at Gracie Films for any changes to be made before the work is shipped overseas. The overseas studios then draw the inbetweens, ink and paint, and render the animation to tape before it is shipped back to the United States to be delivered to Fox three to four months later.[60

As you can see, both shows are done by studios that employ many people for each episode, 50 for sponge bob and the South Korea studios take three to four months.

Cost per episode.
http://lineboil.com/how-much-does-an-an ... sode-cost/

Dale

[Maestral]

@ RobertThurman123

You`re jumping out of the pot into the fire ,)

If there`s some instant "makeover" from an avid watcher of animations to an experienced animator, most likely you`d already knew about it but since that`s not a case, I presume you`re now interested in how to become experienced in setting the fee amount for an animation jobs, right?

Have you heard about the Producers? Do you think you`re ready to compete with those guys already doing their jobs in the animation industry? Do you think it does not take much to learn and deal with producing? Do you even have any kind of reserve toward your knowledge about producing?! Even when time needed for creating animation appears to be short (if not insignificant) what really matters is how experienced you are in judging the skills needed for that task. In other words - I might take 5 minutes to do it, but it took me 5 years to learn doing it that fast. So, now if you could just learn how much are animators payed for doing this and that you`ll know how much to offer for that and this, right?! Is there some tardis parked in your backyard?

And, correct me if I`m wrong, you`re working on a documentary which would deal with subjects like bullying and similar while you barged over some common courtesy and politeness? I`m under impression that your respect toward animators and animation is eroding through your posts.

[RobertThurman123]

@ RobertThurman123

You`re jumping out of the pot into the fire ,)

If there`s some instant "makeover" from an avid watcher of animations to an experienced animator, most likely you`d already knew about it but since that`s not a case, I presume you`re now interested in how to become experienced in setting the fee amount for an animation jobs, right?

Have you heard about the Producers? Do you think you`re ready to compete with those guys already doing their jobs in the animation industry? Do you think it does not take much to learn and deal with producing? Do you even have any kind of reserve toward your knowledge about producing?! Even when time needed for creating animation appears to be short (if not insignificant) what really matters is how experienced you are in judging the skills needed for that task. In other words - I might take 5 minutes to do it, but it took me 5 years to learn doing it that fast. So, now if you could just learn how much are animators payed for doing this and that you`ll know how much to offer for that and this, right?! Is there some tardis parked in your backyard?

And, correct me if I`m wrong, you`re working on a documentary which would deal with subjects like bullying and similar while you barged over some common courtesy and politeness? I`m under impression that your respect toward animators and animation is eroding through your posts.

Excuse me but I think you have me misunderstood sir.
I am filming the documentary myself it is non profit, not for sale it will be spread by me.
I have been treating animators with respect though I was a bit daft to offer $100 if I only knew.
Still no one has given me an estimate to what they would want to get paid.
I have been polite if not maybe a bit rough over the edges, in fact you are showing a typical sign of bullying in your message which I'm sure you don't mean, I am a animator myself and I have created 5 min footage in anime studio tweening within one hour or less, I had an animator working for me once who produced a good 10 min of basic footage in anime studio within days, so that is why I thought $100 would suffice.

My apologys to all I offended.

[Maestral]

I have been treating animators with respect though I was a bit daft to offer $100 if I only knew.

... in fact you are showing a typical sign of bullying in your message ...

?!

This might be the wild guess but since you used $ for the fee amount and since you were so delighted about previous comments, hence your generous intention to send copies of your documentary - may I ask for your estimation about the shipping costs for just those two dvd`s?

Do you have that estimation?

... so that is why I thought $100 would suffice.

My apologys to all I offended.