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G011UM88
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ive got a sony handicam and a blue pair of socks - so please give me the following:

an idea,
a design team & all equipment i need to execute YOUR idea,
Money to pay the design team & myself,
A premisses to house my new company,
infact, i'd like a new premisses too...
food and water for the rest of my life,
& lots of porn starlets working the phones.

trust me i will make a big success of your investment, its true, my mum said i could do anythign i put my mind to - you can have her address if you want to check with her that she really said it... she did.

p.s. i'm not a serial killer but i AM 14 years old
HOW DARE YOU MOCK ME LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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HOW DARE YOU MOCK ME LIKE THAT!!!!!!
saves time...
You can't have everything. Where would you put it?
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G011UM88 wrote: Our upcoming projects include:
Saint George and the Dragon
The Kalevala
So tell me - and I am not trying mock you - why do you want to make something on the finnish epos of Kalevala?

Just curious.

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So tell me - and I am not trying mock you - why do you want to make something on the finnish epos of Kalevala?
Looks like an interesting story. Maybe you would like to help?
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G011UM88 wrote:
So tell me - and I am not trying mock you - why do you want to make something on the finnish epos of Kalevala?
Looks like an interesting story.
Why?
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Why?
Well, Tolkien borrowed a little bit from the Kalevala when writing Lord of the Rings, and it seems to be very epic.
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maybe its best to start small and do your own short rather than instantly try to create a high budget studio of animators to create an epic... just a thought.
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G011UM88 wrote:Maybe you would like to help?
No, not interested, sorry. But I wish you good luck in your efforts.
And starting small is a very good advice.
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funksmaname wrote:maybe its best to start small and do your own short rather than instantly try to create a high budget studio of animators to create an epic... just a thought.
Yah, maybe your right. But what to start with?
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G011UM88 wrote:
Why the guy from Nightwish?
Why? (laughs) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Have you ever listened to Ghost Love Score? I HIGHLY recommend you do so. Thats practically the whole reason I want him to help me.
Hahahaha, i have. It's pretty good i must admit.

Well, if you're in a ruck, ask the dude from Lordi. I'm sure he'll do you an outfit at the same time. :lol:
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Post by heyvern »

Either of those story ideas would be fine for a short animation.

The idea is to not go too far. Try a small element of the story line.

I assure you if you have no experience in HUGE GIGANTIC PROJECTS or running a studio with a lot of people looking to you for guidance and project management...

You need to start small. You need to realize how difficult it is to complete even a 10 or 15 minute short... or even a 5 minute short. I know someone who did a 3 minute music video and it took a year. That is creating and animating one character dancing around on one set. Of course it took a year since he wasn't doing this full time, but I imagine you are in the same boat.

If you plan a gigantic epic project multiply those man hours by 100... and then get out the check book. ;)

-vern
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I haven't had such a good laugh for a very long time ... great thread.
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I agree. Laudable, and laughable. Brilliant.
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My comment last night was a little flippant.

So let me be fair and look at the problem here: You have the cart before the horse.

You are playing the part of the producer (the man with the money), thinking of what he needs to make a great film. But you have overlooked one vital question – most people do when they come to make a film. This question should be painted on the wall of every film maker:

Who am I making this film for?

This is basically, who is going to watch it, buy the DVD, buy the merchandising etc. Without that answer, no-one will invest in the film. So ask yourself the question, is it for 2-11, tweenagers, 16-25, will it have a U certificate, 15, or a PG.
Once you have that answer, only then can you begin thinking about the script. For if you don't know who you are writing for, the script-writer is the proverbial ship without a rudder – he has not idea where he is going.
When the script is rewriter for the umpteenth time and is approved, you have two directions. Male a pilot/test sequence to demonstrate the style and feel of the film – this is to get investors interested. Or you can crack on with the storyboard. Storyboard often work with and at the same time as the character designers. That storyboard is digitised and assembled in a NLE edit program. post studios record a guide vocal track with staffers reading the dialogue. If you are sure the script is right, then you can record with the “real” actor/s then okay – just remember you might have to bring them back in for “pick-up” lines when you discover Scene 75 doesn't gel with Sc76. If you use a dummy voice track first, you usually spot those. Once the leica reel (video animatic) is done and is ticked off, you can record the final voices and finalise the character designs, layouts etc.
It is then and only then, when the pre-production is finished, that you can think about the crew, the work-flow, production management.
You really shouldn't be thinking of Maya and who is recording the music.

I would suggest you ask a few questions about the two story choices. The Finnish folk tale The KalevalaI know nothing of, that might be a good unique selling point (that USP is the thing investors/broadcasters want). St George and the Dragon is suspect. Why make it? Who is it for. Will techie 16 year olds go “Cool!, that's want I want to see”. Personally, I'm not sure, this hardly a gripping tale – village terrorised by grumpy fire breathing dragon, bold Sir knight comes along and pokes it with a big sharp stick. Grumpy dragon dies and every one lives happily ever after. It's like Titanic, you know the ending, what's the appeal. Grump dragon film might look good if you go for a Lord of the Rings look/feel but it takes a huge budget to achieve.

Ask yourself why Maya – you will need a heap of licences which are damned expensive. XSI has been used on more big projects as has Lightwave: Max is easier to crew for as there are more operators out there. Blender is now a serious contender, being used by a lot of studios because it's free and now come of age. I know of a China studio with 150 stations for series work ... try doing that with Maya and stay competitive!

I know you have taken some flak over your original call for collaborators – it was a shoot-yourself-in-the-foot post. Don't be put off. Look at the thing objectively.

I put together a collab team to design a 13 * 30 TV series for a PG audience: That is now being marketed around – we are having trouble selling it to the broadcasters, just as we knew we would – the concept is way-out there, and it makes broadcasters nervous: They all think its unusual and funny, but selling it to the channel controllers is hard. The team worked on a deal for production work share if it comes off, plus a gross back-end share later. This is a common arrangement, work now, better pay later, No-one does it for free. No-one does it for net back-end share (never work a net profit, its 10% of nothing).

Small design teams work, usually two-three people – writer, designer/animator and project coordinator. The director can be any one of those people. Roles often overlap - in my case, I write and produce final artwork. Make sure you discuss money right at the beginning: Everyone needs to know how they are to get paid, who owns the rights, how the split is made. People need to agree in writing that ideas are pooled – no-one can throw a hissy-fit mid-development and walk away with “their” character design. Pooled is pooled, collaborative projects means its a relay race, the baton gets passed from one person to another, directions change. This advice comes from having a collaborator try to walk off with one of the principal characters – it gets ugly: Usually reason prevails but if it doesn't, everyone's work is wasted.

My advice is go back to basics, and think question 1, who is this for.

Then come back and say, okay, I want to make a collab to make a film for xyz demographics. The deal is gross back-end, all rights shared. Anyone interested. Then your cards are on the table. People will then look seriously at the idea.

Saying you want to start Dreamworkz 2 just won't fly.


Rhoel

PS: Never use Hotmail for this kind of call – www.gmail.com is considered good form, as the sign-up is verified.

PPS: I do collaborative work on films – if anyone wants to seriously talk about making 30 second shorts for Atom Films/mobile content/festival circuit, then please PM/email me. Background artists and character designers are especially welcomed – that is my weak spot. I have a series in mind, plus several shorts drafted. Deal is all rights/gross back-end share.
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Post by Mikdog »

Nice post, man. Great advice.
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